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		<title>By: Sweetums</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweetums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The worlds being kicking on for some time now.. If this method of tithing was the ‘correct method’ then churches could easily cater for the delay in it’s.. instant gratification."

Hey GB could you expand on this.  Not sure what you were getting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The worlds being kicking on for some time now.. If this method of tithing was the ‘correct method’ then churches could easily cater for the delay in it’s.. instant gratification.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey GB could you expand on this.  Not sure what you were getting at.</p>
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		<title>By: godBoy</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>godBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid points, But..

&lt;em&gt;I feel like as soon as I recieve money in my hand then 10 percent of it goes again in an immediate response.&lt;/em&gt;
The investment strategy is no different.

&lt;em&gt;And the other point I would like to make is that the church uses it’s tithes to help people “TODAY”. If we all put our money into an investment account for “one day” then what do you say to those in need “TODAY”?&lt;/em&gt;
The worlds being kicking on for some time now.. If this method of tithing was the 'correct method' then churches could easily cater for the delay in it's.. instant gratification.

&lt;em&gt;I would to lean towards the notion that God’s economy is not our economy &#038; I’m not sure that God needs us to save for His use of our earthly resources to be effective in his hands &#038; under his power.&lt;/em&gt;
Hmmm I don't know about this mic. Let's take the example of the widow, was her lone coin actually more valuable than the other gifts.  I don't believe so.  I believe that story was saying that someones personal trust in God is far more valuable than money. Not that a little money is more valuable than a lot of money - that's ridiculous.
Money is worth how much money is worth, the more money the more valuable.

&lt;em&gt;Our tithe is an act of obedience more than anything, a sign that we acknowledge that all we have belongs to God &#038; he allows us to use 90%.&lt;/em&gt;
I'm not suggesting anything different.

Your last point is very true,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid points, But..</p>
<p><em>I feel like as soon as I recieve money in my hand then 10 percent of it goes again in an immediate response.</em><br />
The investment strategy is no different.</p>
<p><em>And the other point I would like to make is that the church uses it’s tithes to help people “TODAY”. If we all put our money into an investment account for “one day” then what do you say to those in need “TODAY”?</em><br />
The worlds being kicking on for some time now.. If this method of tithing was the &#8216;correct method&#8217; then churches could easily cater for the delay in it&#8217;s.. instant gratification.</p>
<p><em>I would to lean towards the notion that God’s economy is not our economy &#038; I’m not sure that God needs us to save for His use of our earthly resources to be effective in his hands &#038; under his power.</em><br />
Hmmm I don&#8217;t know about this mic. Let&#8217;s take the example of the widow, was her lone coin actually more valuable than the other gifts.  I don&#8217;t believe so.  I believe that story was saying that someones personal trust in God is far more valuable than money. Not that a little money is more valuable than a lot of money - that&#8217;s ridiculous.<br />
Money is worth how much money is worth, the more money the more valuable.</p>
<p><em>Our tithe is an act of obedience more than anything, a sign that we acknowledge that all we have belongs to God &#038; he allows us to use 90%.</em><br />
I&#8217;m not suggesting anything different.</p>
<p>Your last point is very true,</p>
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		<title>By: The Scot</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>The Scot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would to lean towards the notion that God's economy is not our economy &#038; I'm not sure that God needs us to save for His use of our earthly resources to be effective in his hands &#038; under his power. Our tithe is an act of obedience more than anything, a sign that we acknowledge that all we have belongs to God &#038; he allows us to use 90%. Imaginetelling the bank with whom you have your mortgage, "Look, I know that this money is yours, but I reckon I can give you more if you let me invest in something" The money is theirs, you have signed a contract agreeing that it is theirs, it is up to them to use what is theirs in whatever manner they deem appropriate. 
MM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would to lean towards the notion that God&#8217;s economy is not our economy &#038; I&#8217;m not sure that God needs us to save for His use of our earthly resources to be effective in his hands &#038; under his power. Our tithe is an act of obedience more than anything, a sign that we acknowledge that all we have belongs to God &#038; he allows us to use 90%. Imaginetelling the bank with whom you have your mortgage, &#8220;Look, I know that this money is yours, but I reckon I can give you more if you let me invest in something&#8221; The money is theirs, you have signed a contract agreeing that it is theirs, it is up to them to use what is theirs in whatever manner they deem appropriate.<br />
MM</p>
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		<title>By: Sweetums</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweetums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually GB the first mention of Tithing was Abram with the wealth acquired from battle.  Not farmers.  And he was so overjoyed with his blessing and saw in Melshidek that he was a godly man so he felt compelled to give.  I think that is what I am saying.  I feel like as soon as I recieve money in my hand then 10 percent of it goes again in an immediate response.  

What I meant by putting it aside was allocating it to tithe but it still sitting there.  I don't think then if hard times hit you wouldn't feel like 'dipping' into it.

And the other point I would like to make is that the church uses it's tithes to help people "TODAY".  If we all put our money into an investment account for "one day" then what do you say to those in need "TODAY"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually GB the first mention of Tithing was Abram with the wealth acquired from battle.  Not farmers.  And he was so overjoyed with his blessing and saw in Melshidek that he was a godly man so he felt compelled to give.  I think that is what I am saying.  I feel like as soon as I recieve money in my hand then 10 percent of it goes again in an immediate response.  </p>
<p>What I meant by putting it aside was allocating it to tithe but it still sitting there.  I don&#8217;t think then if hard times hit you wouldn&#8217;t feel like &#8216;dipping&#8217; into it.</p>
<p>And the other point I would like to make is that the church uses it&#8217;s tithes to help people &#8220;TODAY&#8221;.  If we all put our money into an investment account for &#8220;one day&#8221; then what do you say to those in need &#8220;TODAY&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: godBoy</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>godBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your most welcome not to think so, but why?

I don't think you've provided good reasons as to why tithing into an interest gaining account is not a god honoring thing to do.
I believe the principle of tithing was given first to farmers and there's no such thing as investing food..
Perhaps the principle of tithing encompasses more than you are allowing?

&lt;em&gt;If we just put it aside it’s not actually achieving the same thing&lt;/em&gt;
This is backwards, If we just spend it it's not actually achieving the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your most welcome not to think so, but why?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve provided good reasons as to why tithing into an interest gaining account is not a god honoring thing to do.<br />
I believe the principle of tithing was given first to farmers and there&#8217;s no such thing as investing food..<br />
Perhaps the principle of tithing encompasses more than you are allowing?</p>
<p><em>If we just put it aside it’s not actually achieving the same thing</em><br />
This is backwards, If we just spend it it&#8217;s not actually achieving the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweetums</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweetums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think so GB.  God asks us to give 10 percent of our 'first fruits' and then we learn to live on the leftovers.  If we just put it aside it's not actually achieving the same thing.  The point was never the amount of giving (hence the little old widow and her coin) the point is the lesson learnt and the heart behind it.  Our focus must be that we trust God with our possesions and thank him for our provisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so GB.  God asks us to give 10 percent of our &#8216;first fruits&#8217; and then we learn to live on the leftovers.  If we just put it aside it&#8217;s not actually achieving the same thing.  The point was never the amount of giving (hence the little old widow and her coin) the point is the lesson learnt and the heart behind it.  Our focus must be that we trust God with our possesions and thank him for our provisions.</p>
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		<title>By: godBoy</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>godBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 04:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I don’t think you should EVER give to a charity because you believe it to be more ‘worthy a cause’ than another."

This isn't right Audrey, Only an idiot would give to a charity that he/she believed to be unworthy of the gift... 'I hear you take the funds given to you and spend half of it on boat cruises and alcohol, here, have a million dollars!'.

There's nothing wrong with Sweetums' statement that is in other words 'I use my head when deciding where I contribute charitably, I want to give where I know the money will be used wisely.'

It's an interesting discussion and I've been mulling it over for a few days.  See, i'm just thinking about how money can be best used.  I don't know if giving to charities whenever you can afford it is the most wise decision.  This type of reasoning that says give whenever and as frequently as possible doesn't sit right with me.
If you put away a certain amount of money each day and let it gain interest, then some day you will be able to give a lot more.  The only down side to this is there's no guarantee that you will give something away.  If you were really struggling and you had a whole lot of money earning interest and you needed to spend it, you may justify using it for other purposes.

This directly relates to tithing, isn't it better to save 10 percent and let it grow, rather than just giving away 10 percent to be spent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t think you should EVER give to a charity because you believe it to be more ‘worthy a cause’ than another.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t right Audrey, Only an idiot would give to a charity that he/she believed to be unworthy of the gift&#8230; &#8216;I hear you take the funds given to you and spend half of it on boat cruises and alcohol, here, have a million dollars!&#8217;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with Sweetums&#8217; statement that is in other words &#8216;I use my head when deciding where I contribute charitably, I want to give where I know the money will be used wisely.&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting discussion and I&#8217;ve been mulling it over for a few days.  See, i&#8217;m just thinking about how money can be best used.  I don&#8217;t know if giving to charities whenever you can afford it is the most wise decision.  This type of reasoning that says give whenever and as frequently as possible doesn&#8217;t sit right with me.<br />
If you put away a certain amount of money each day and let it gain interest, then some day you will be able to give a lot more.  The only down side to this is there&#8217;s no guarantee that you will give something away.  If you were really struggling and you had a whole lot of money earning interest and you needed to spend it, you may justify using it for other purposes.</p>
<p>This directly relates to tithing, isn&#8217;t it better to save 10 percent and let it grow, rather than just giving away 10 percent to be spent?</p>
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		<title>By: Sweetums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweetums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were actually asking me specifically to donate to the research of the new drug.  Not to the diabetes foundation (I have  a jelly babies pen btw) ;)

"I don’t think you should EVER give to a charity because you believe it to be more ‘worthy a cause’ than another."

I challenge you on this statement.  Where do you draw the line with your giving then?  You can't give to every charity that knocks on your door or phones you up.  How do you decide?  Is it more noble to give to a charity just cos it captures your heart?  That's the way I donated when I gave to the wildlife fund but that wasn't where my money was best spent.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were actually asking me specifically to donate to the research of the new drug.  Not to the diabetes foundation (I have  a jelly babies pen btw) <img src='http://wonvoice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t think you should EVER give to a charity because you believe it to be more ‘worthy a cause’ than another.&#8221;</p>
<p>I challenge you on this statement.  Where do you draw the line with your giving then?  You can&#8217;t give to every charity that knocks on your door or phones you up.  How do you decide?  Is it more noble to give to a charity just cos it captures your heart?  That&#8217;s the way I donated when I gave to the wildlife fund but that wasn&#8217;t where my money was best spent&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://wonvoice.com.au/uncategorised/compassion-fatigue-the-crisis-of-giving#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 03:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you give to a charity for the blind? - Diabetes can cause blindness

Or a charity to study the causes of SIDS? - Diabetes can cause death in the womb of a sufferer

What about kids dying from diabetes in developing countries cos they can't afford the simple injections?

The point isn't to get you to give to diabetes foundations.

I don't think you should EVER give to a charity because you believe it to be more 'worthy a cause' than another. You're attitude would be completely different if one of your children suddenly came up with the disease and spent the rest of their lives having daily injections... 

"I like to give to organisations that are giving the base necessities for those who don’t have it." 

This is a great statement Sweets, just give some thought to the rest..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you give to a charity for the blind? - Diabetes can cause blindness</p>
<p>Or a charity to study the causes of SIDS? - Diabetes can cause death in the womb of a sufferer</p>
<p>What about kids dying from diabetes in developing countries cos they can&#8217;t afford the simple injections?</p>
<p>The point isn&#8217;t to get you to give to diabetes foundations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should EVER give to a charity because you believe it to be more &#8216;worthy a cause&#8217; than another. You&#8217;re attitude would be completely different if one of your children suddenly came up with the disease and spent the rest of their lives having daily injections&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;I like to give to organisations that are giving the base necessities for those who don’t have it.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is a great statement Sweets, just give some thought to the rest..</p>
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		<title>By: Sweetums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweetums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 10:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way that was the "World Wildlife Fund" not the "World Wrestling Federation". 

Although, those wrestlers need help too.  Poor little guys.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way that was the &#8220;World Wildlife Fund&#8221; not the &#8220;World Wrestling Federation&#8221;. </p>
<p>Although, those wrestlers need help too.  Poor little guys&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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